Episode 14: Womb Womb
Almost Bare Podcast
September 5, 2019
Episode 14: Womb Womb
On this episode of the Almost Bare Podcast, Lyndsay Soprano and Jon Ramirez discuss the serious topic of abortion, and their stances on it. Jon also shares his personal experience, and the difficult decision his mother had to make.
They start the episode off by recapping last week’s Benadryl fiasco, with some sage words from Jeanette of Burbank Infrared Sauna, advising us all to take the clear Benadryl, as oppose to the pink because it doesn’t fuck you up.
Jon starts off this week’s topic by sharing his personal experience with abortion. When his mother was pregnant with him, she was diagnosed with stage 4 cervical cancer, and 3 doctors advised her to terminate her pregnancy. She chose to keep seeking secondary opinions, and found a doctor who supported her choice to remain pregnant. Every day she had to come to the hospital for a biopsy to make sure that the cancer was not progressing, in which case both Jon and his mother potentially would’ve died. This has made Jon biased when it comes to abortion, and not just because of his Catholic beliefs. He adds that the Catholic church would’ve deemed it permissible for his mother to have an abortion under these circumstances because it is better to save one life that to lose two.
Lyndsay refers back to a previous episode where she talks about her being raped as a young girl, and the further effect that it would’ve had on her life if she had gotten pregnant from that encounter. She goes on to say that of course she doesn’t love rape, but the decision should be made on a case by case basis and not regulated by the federal or state government. Because of the restrictions in places like Alabama, women are being forced to have unsafe abortions, which can create a series of other issues.
They go on to discuss the different stages of pregnancy, and when they both believe that a baby starts and stops being human. Lyndsay mentions Bodies: The Exhibition, and their display that shows what a baby looks like, week by week, in each stage of gestation.
Jon’s belief is that each stage of pregnancy or of a person’s life is equally important, and that you can’t just pick and choose which stages matter. A Snicker without nuts is just a Snick. Lyndsay’s stance is that a baby is a baby when they are born and out of the womb.
She goes on to talk about the different circumstances that babies can be born into, economically and socially, and how they will affect the child’s life. She tells a story about a friend who got pregnant in high school and chose to keep the baby, but that she had the support of her upper class white family to help her, and not everyone has the resources to do the same.
They talk about the political aspect of abortion, focusing on Republicans that support the unborn child’s right to be born, but don’t want to fund the programs that support the child after they are born into a bad situation.
They discuss the different situations that could warrant an abortion, such as a baby being born with a terminal medical condition. Jon feels that it’s important to still give them a chance, because they’re a living being and deserve the gift of hope.
Jon circles back to talk about his thoughts since Lyndsay’s episode where she shared her story of being raped, and how he would’ve handled the situation if he were her father and she had gotten pregnant. He decided that after a lot of thought, he would probably encourage his daughter to have the baby, because he feels like he would be committing murder and it’s not their fault that they are the product of rape. Lyndsay disagrees with this, and thinks that you should rally around your daughter who is already alive and has to deal with the repercussions of the situation.
She goes on to question what you tell a child that was the product of rape about how they came to be, and the psychological affects that would have on them. Jon feels like it would be similar to telling a kid that they were adopted, and that he would smother them with love and hope that the child would appreciate the fact that they were given a chance.
Jon doesn’t want anyone to feel like he is shaming them whether they’ve had an abortion or not, he just is biased because of his experience and because he hasn’t ever had to be faced with the choice.
Lyndsay’s advice is to keep your legs closed if you can’t afford or don’t want a baby.
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Links and Resources:
Abortion Information – Planned Parenthood
There are two ways of ending a pregnancy: in-clinic abortion and the abortion pill. Both are safe and very common. If you’re pregnant and thinking about abortion, you may have lots of questions. We’re here to help.
Abortion Facts – National Abortion Foundation
NAF has worked since 1977 to ensure that women, health care professionals, and policymakers have access to factual information about abortion. NAF has created a series of carefully researched fact sheets that cover topics related to abortion and abortion care.
What Happens During an Abortion? – Planned Parenthood
You’ll go to a health center for counseling, an exam, and the abortion. The abortion itself usually takes 5-10 minutes, and you’ll get medicine to help with any pain.
Abortion Data and Statistics – CDC
In 2015, 638,169 legal induced abortions were reported to CDC from 49 reporting areas. The abortion rate for 2015 was 11.8 abortions per 1,000 women aged 15–44 years, and the abortion ratio was 188 abortions per 1,000 live births.
Compared with 2014, the total number, rate, and ratio of reported abortions for 2015 decreased 2%. Additionally, from 2006 to 2015, the number, rate, and ratio of reported abortions decreased 24%, 26%, and 19%, respectively. In 2015, all three measures reached their lowest level for the entire period of analysis (2006—2015).
All States Taking Up New Abortion Laws – The Hill
In 2019, states are taking action to restrict or expand access to abortion amid a national debate over Roe v. Wade.
Multiple states such as Kentucky and Georgia have passed bills that ban abortion once a fetal heartbeat is detected, around six weeks of pregnancy, while Alabama recently passed the strictest abortion law in the country, banning the procedure with few exceptions.
Abortion Facts and Statistics – Abort73
Rape / Incest and Abortion – USA Today
Just 1% of women obtain an abortion because they became pregnant through rape, and less than 0.5% do so because of incest, according to the Guttmacher Institute. Yet the battle over exceptions for both has garnered outsized attention in the national abortion debate.
This month Alabama passed a law banning abortions at any time period with no exceptions for rape or incest, only when the mother’s health is at risk. Two other states – Ohio and Mississippi – have passed similar legislation, which also do not include exceptions for rape or incest. Georgia passed a bill banning abortions after six weeks and includes the exceptions, but requires an official police report alleging the crimes (research shows 3 out of every 4 sexual assaults are not reported, and out of every 1,000 rapes only five perpetrators are convicted).